tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post5687447581357608150..comments2023-10-21T14:04:57.028+01:00Comments on Stressed Out Cop: Taking Responsibility .. Just Do ItStressed Out Cophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-38660529303749960372009-09-28T14:16:41.934+01:002009-09-28T14:16:41.934+01:00Blue Eyes
Then as you're in London go sit on ...Blue Eyes<br /><br />Then as you're in London go sit on their local police ward panel and set the objectives yourselves as residents.<br /><br />Believe me you will get better policing. It's often a case of who shouts loudest ..getsStressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-66395700775541260582009-09-28T14:09:04.366+01:002009-09-28T14:09:04.366+01:00SOC, been there, done that...
One of my neighbour...SOC, been there, done that...<br /><br />One of my neighbours who is on the estate committee told me her strategy which is to give the stairs a good scrub with bleach on a regular basis. Make the stairs smell like a swimming pool and the smokers will be less inclined to sit there of an evening :-))Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-85650848446710538402009-09-28T14:03:02.317+01:002009-09-28T14:03:02.317+01:00Merlin
You are very welcome here
MCM
The perce...Merlin <br /><br />You are very welcome here<br /><br />MCM<br /><br />The perceived little nuisance stuff will never receive due attention in the courts. <br /><br />Doing nothing is not an option. Even by attending a certain stairwell and standing there for hours if need be, makes a point and lets the residents know you've listened to their problems.<br /><br />Definately a medium/long term problem and one for the community team. <br /><br />Tom<br /><br />Part 2 of this post will go on to cover civil law which is actually better than going down the criminal route, such is the demise of our CJS.<br /><br />Blue Eyes<br /><br />Tell your local team to get off their backsides and show some presence. I suggest e-mailing them .. and suggesting some static patrols might be in order.<br /><br />It's that time of the year when the dark nights brings them into the stairwells. It might only displace to elsewhere but you will get some peace.<br /><br />SOCStressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-60598544696001726392009-09-28T14:00:39.049+01:002009-09-28T14:00:39.049+01:00Tom, going down the civil route is a good option b...Tom, going down the civil route is a good option but it's usually the last one after every criminal route has been tried. It also doesn't help in the slightest when some tosspot social worker undermines a RIPA op by giving the family at the target address the heads up that we're going to be putting the door through to get all the stolen goods they'd been handling. Apparently they didn't think it was nice for us to put the door in at 4am when there were kids in the house... but handling stolen goods from burglars and taking class A's was ok. Thankfully said tosspot was moved but only after the head of dept was threatened with getting nicked for obstruction as they ok'd the suggestion that the family to sort themselves out, the day before we went in. <br /><br />Having everyone singing from the same sheet is essential but as long as we have to work with 'partner agencies' who have diametrically opposed working practIces and agendas it's never going work properly.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-68017045224437998682009-09-28T11:44:03.797+01:002009-09-28T11:44:03.797+01:00Keep the Queens peace!
I understand, and aprrecia...Keep the Queens peace!<br /><br />I understand, and aprreciate the officers comments about RIPA, as I recall the doomed experiment in London some years ago.<br /><br />A legal beagle working in the Treasury department of the local council, after consultation with police decided to use the civil law as opposed to the criminal law to deal with the troublemakers. The 'nasty' people did not pay rent and were in arrears. They did not respect the 'quite enjoyment' of the property of fellow tenants, and as a result were dealt with in the civil court.<br /><br />On a balance of probability, the miscreants found themselves judged voluntarily 'homeless' and thrown out of their home. I think it was Hackney. Because the test was not the 'beyond a reasonable' doubt demanded by criminal law, but by that of the civil law, the nasty people lost their home, and the estate became reasonable, and habitable again.<br /><br />However, the lack of police being able to contain the problem remains to this day the fault of a judiciary enslaved to the social engineering it believes is the way forward in dealing with feral youth as dictated by a useless, and toothles government.<br /><br />Fortunately, I live in a nice area, but please tell me SOP, if it does kick off, you, or officers of your ilk, will come along and take the turf back, and not rely on a spotty 19 year old from the council to put it right.<br /><br />PS: When I say doomed, I meant no other council stepped up to the proverbial plate.Tom102https://www.blogger.com/profile/13349196217553261791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-53483781818332260522009-09-28T09:04:48.454+01:002009-09-28T09:04:48.454+01:00Will you come and sort out my part of town please ...Will you come and sort out my part of town please Mr MCM?Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-6070685430263452212009-09-27T22:57:51.037+01:002009-09-27T22:57:51.037+01:00I've done my share of estate policing, the mai...I've done my share of estate policing, the main thing is keeping a lid on it. When I first moved up to the Met my new Superintendent had a chat with me and gave me his views on what he thought Policing should be about. Basically his ethos was that the streets belong to the Queen and EVERYONE ELSE is a guest, and if they misbehave then we should remove them as we would any disrespectful trespasser from her house. Hence the last bit in the 5 basic rules of Policing - Protect life, protect property, prevent crime, detect crime, and keep the Queens peace.<br /><br />The low level things are exactly what we should be dealing with. I think it would have been significantly better if Mr Harrod had stood in front of the inquest and said something like "between them they had been arrested over a hundred times and they received little or no penalty after the CPS occasionally sent them to court, there was nothing else that we could have done short of shooting them. We only have a limited number of people to deal with all the calls that we get and have to deal with, as much as we want to we can't be everywhere, but when we were there we nicked them"Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-66242577682542703162009-09-27T22:34:50.462+01:002009-09-27T22:34:50.462+01:00General point; first time I've read this blog....General point; first time I've read this blog. Very good stuff, IMHO.<br /><br />Specific to the topic; abso-bl**dy-lutely. It's got to be about "confident policing" & demonstrating, in a non-confrontational way if possible, who is actually in charge of a patch.Merlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-28364228966931454352009-09-27T20:57:42.037+01:002009-09-27T20:57:42.037+01:00Blue eyes
Ask the local youths if they know her ....Blue eyes<br /><br />Ask the local youths if they know her .. If they don't there's your answer. <br /><br />Estate policing is easy . you just need everybody to understand that when you're on duty - it belongs to you.Stressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-89435618780152288012009-09-27T18:05:00.749+01:002009-09-27T18:05:00.749+01:00Good work. That is the kind of thing that people ...Good work. That is the kind of thing that people want from "neighbourhood" policing.<br /><br />Luckily the kids on my estate are fairly benign, but I mentioned cannabis smoking to the local PC when she came to our estate meeting. She basically told me that because there are worse estates in the area nobody would do anything about it. <br /><br />The problem with that approach, for me, is that it is quite likely that things will get worse and then there will be one more "bad" estate - which will be harder to turn back into a "nice" one.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.com