tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post2297982698064948555..comments2023-10-21T14:04:57.028+01:00Comments on Stressed Out Cop: FashionStressed Out Cophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-85239477351232642092009-02-06T02:50:00.000+00:002009-02-06T02:50:00.000+00:00So much for healthy debate, eh?So much for healthy debate, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-87737766674068253972009-02-06T02:49:00.000+00:002009-02-06T02:49:00.000+00:00Hit a raw nerve, did I?Hit a raw nerve, did I?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-33978253783515866182009-01-30T20:20:00.000+00:002009-01-30T20:20:00.000+00:00Bob...go swizzel!Me thinks you have an axe to grin...Bob...go swizzel!<BR/>Me thinks you have an axe to grind!<BR/>And dont bother replying...go and take your self off to a nice warm place and relax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-10159398905160519512009-01-23T13:14:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:14:00.000+00:00Actually, this is exactly the kind of thing that n...Actually, this is <I>exactly</I> the kind of thing that needs to be talked about in a healthy debate. <BR/><BR/>You say quite confidently that if you were corrupt, he would have gone down for murder. I find that deeply disturbing. You clearly believe that if you chose to, you could visit an injustice upon someone quite unchecked. Perhaps this is the case. Like I say, deeply disturbing. Can you not see how your bold admission would make the lay public rather concerned?<BR/><BR/>In any case, I am merely questioning how the evidence was twisted to make the CPS think it was worth trying him for murder and not manslaughter, which this case clearly was. Thankfully, the jury were not fooled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-56714838964725379742009-01-23T11:15:00.000+00:002009-01-23T11:15:00.000+00:00Bob I can assure you that if I was corrupt HE WOUL...Bob <BR/><BR/>I can assure you that if I was corrupt HE WOULD have been convicted of Murder. <BR/><BR/>Please don't say things like that it doesn't add to healthy debate.Stressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-30747781529897117812009-01-22T22:22:00.000+00:002009-01-22T22:22:00.000+00:00Standard police procedure, Anon, as you describe i...Standard police procedure, Anon, as you describe it, is something the police may get away with against vulnerable people who can't afford decent legal advice. If you think that's ethical, you clearly have no conscience. But with those tactics, sooner or later, you will find yourself in the high court, looking like the vicious numpties you are.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and ps, I've never read a tabloid in my life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-50652645523718984172009-01-22T22:16:00.000+00:002009-01-22T22:16:00.000+00:00I'm not talking about who the police don't pursue,...I'm not talking about who the police <I>don't</I> pursue, but cases like the one described, where clearly, the police tailored evidence (which is tantamount to corruption) to make the CPS think it was worth trying the guy for Murder, when it was clearly manlsaughter. No wonder the public think the police are a bunch of numpties and crooks...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-12567103980838931212009-01-22T22:12:00.000+00:002009-01-22T22:12:00.000+00:00Bob sounds awfully like any typical Daily Mail rea...Bob sounds awfully like any typical Daily Mail reader. Unhappy when police officers follow the letter of the law and prosecute everyone for anything regardless, but equally unhappy if they show a little independant thought or try and use some discretion.<BR/><BR/>This wasn't a clear cut accident, you only have the guy's word to take on it, and quite frankly someone who has just shot someone will say anything to get a lesser sentence. Standard police procedure is to arrest for the most serious offence you may have, ie murder. They are then charged with that offence and then the court will downgrade it as they see fit. They rarely increase a charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-36701831113023046342009-01-22T16:08:00.000+00:002009-01-22T16:08:00.000+00:00Bob, the police are not automatons and will often ...Bob, the police are not automatons and will often be required to use their own judgement when implementing the law.<BR/><BR/>For example, if a police officer pulls in a speeding driver and then discovers that the driver's wife, who is heavily pregnant and in labour, he would be a right idiot to issue a ticket, instead of offering to escort the man and his wife to hospital.Damo Mackerelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225139210177653458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-25037733377014587132009-01-21T23:24:00.000+00:002009-01-21T23:24:00.000+00:00Yes, SoC, "servants". I think you'd do well to re...Yes, SoC, "<I>servants</I>". I think you'd do well to remember that. <BR/><BR/>Changing the law by lobbying is all well and good, and in keeping with the principles of democracy.<BR/><BR/>But making arrest judgements, and tailoring evidence for the CPS on the basis of your own personal views is ethically corrupt and dodgy, and will land you in hot water. Sooner or later you'll be found out. I'm just saying.<BR/><BR/>The CPS may have decided to try him for Murder, but they'll have done that on the basis of what the police told them. What an effing waste, and how arrogant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-89202442077716984772009-01-21T10:10:00.000+00:002009-01-21T10:10:00.000+00:00Bob Police Officers are crown servants not tools o...Bob <BR/><BR/>Police Officers are crown servants not tools of Parliament - We keep the Queen's Peace and holding the office of constable apply the law in a fair way as we see fit. <BR/><BR/>As part of the criminal justice system the police already question and influence laws. Crack House Closures and searching procedures have been created as a result of police lobbying. <BR/><BR/>The law is not as black and white as you see it. It is a mass of grey and an ever changing creature with case law decisions being made all the time. <BR/><BR/>The police do not prosecute and haven't done so for years - the CPS do - for the crown.<BR/><BR/>The system says a jury decides guilt. The victim in this case deserves justice and the jury balance the facts and had to be certain beyond all reasonable doubt about his guilt. Maybe he would have pleaded to 2nd degree murder if a system was in place, saving tax payers money. At present Murder carries a mandatory life sentence.<BR/><BR/>SOCStressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-73504764556898164552009-01-20T13:13:00.000+00:002009-01-20T13:13:00.000+00:00Anybody can question the law, but my point was tha...Anybody can <I>question</I> the law, but my point was that it is not a police officer's job to do so, in fact, quite the contrary.<BR/><BR/>The danger is that your personal beliefs about the morality of the law will affect your ability to do your job, ie to apply the law as it exists, not as you believe it should. If you do allow your personal beliefs to colour your judgement, sooner or later you will find yourself in hot water, <I>because</I> we are a democracy and not a police state.<BR/><BR/>I've got to question how come he was tried for murder, when it was clearly a case of manslaughter. The fact that he was found not guilty kind of goes to show, doesn't it? I wonder how much tax-payer's money was wasted by this example of the police's misapplication of the law?<BR/><BR/>Peace and loveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-87678184838090223972009-01-20T09:48:00.000+00:002009-01-20T09:48:00.000+00:00Anon It goes to show - never assume when going to ...Anon <BR/><BR/>It goes to show - never assume when going to a call. Yeah I did think afterwards for a minute, what if he'd been sat there waiting and blasted me - but he didn't so it's not an issue that worries me.<BR/><BR/>The difference with this and Rhys Jones is that Mercer had a guilty mind when firing the gun at somebody else,intending to kill or cause GBH hence Murder. Again in that case from the defence view it throws up issues around degrees of murder?<BR/><BR/>Interesting thing the law!<BR/><BR/>SOCStressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-16638368513652422572009-01-20T09:37:00.000+00:002009-01-20T09:37:00.000+00:00Bob - Welcome I think I would leave "accident" to ...Bob - Welcome <BR/><BR/>I think I would leave "accident" to incidents where somebody is out shooting and through messing around somehow shoots somebody. <BR/><BR/>This case is somewhat different and of course unusual. You can sleep soundly that StressedOutCop is well aware of the required mens rea "with malice aforethought". <BR/><BR/>I could also go on about the legislation under the Firearms Act that might be applicable. Some sections carrying life terms. <BR/><BR/>This case goes to show that drink drugs and guns don't mix. It eventually goes on the evidence. He pleaded to Manslaughter but was still trialed for Murder and found not guilty. I don't have a problem with that - because that's our system. Of course the only other person present was unable to give her version, and I think if her boyfriend had been present it's possible a different verdict was reached. I just have that nagging doubt - he must have been stood with this gun right against her body. Only he knows what was going on in his head.<BR/><BR/>You are right. It doesn't matter if he went up with intention to kill the boyfriend. The actual act must be completed with a guilty mind.<BR/><BR/>I do question the morality of the law as this was more than an "accident". Should there be different degrees of murder? That was the point of my closing comment.<BR/><BR/>Anybody can question the law in a democracy. If I found myself in hot water (as you hope for)would that not be as the result of a dictatorship? <BR/><BR/>By the way he got 8 years for this. <BR/><BR/>Peaceout - SOCStressed Out Cophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822426269877730126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-70535493583027599192009-01-20T03:51:00.000+00:002009-01-20T03:51:00.000+00:00It does if the gun went off accidentally. In fact...It does if the gun went off accidentally. In fact that is a fairly crucial factor in terms of whether this was murder or not. So you see why it appears that Stressed Out Cop either doesn't know the law, or else doesn't care about it, given his closing comment. As a police officer, it's his job to both know <I>and</I> care, otherwise he is just a little dictator.<BR/><BR/>It is not the police's job to question the law. That is for our <I>elected</I> representatives. <BR/><BR/>Stressed Out Cop would do well to remember this, otherwise he will find himself in pretty hot water before too long, and hopefully be relieved of his duties (which, if they're causing him so much stress...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-39294468298963775962009-01-19T00:53:00.000+00:002009-01-19T00:53:00.000+00:00It sounds like an unbeliveable scenario to find yo...It sounds like an unbeliveable scenario to find yourself in. But they way you decribe it makes it sound so very ordinary. I mean, I could imagine going to a similar call and then not knowing what to expect. <BR/><BR/>The guy could have picked up the shotgun and blown you away too... But you don't think of those things in the first instance.<BR/><BR/>Bob, don't take it so literally. StressedOutCop does know the law and he is questioning it in this case. I.E. If the guys intent was to go up there and shoot someone, does it matter who he shot? A bit like the Rhys Jones shooting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054760004075742620.post-84966365599562853012009-01-18T23:01:00.000+00:002009-01-18T23:01:00.000+00:00Umm...not if it was an accident.It's very disturbi...Umm...not if it was an accident.<BR/><BR/>It's very disturbing to note that a serving police officer doesn't even know the definition of the crimes he's arresting people for...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com